In this episode Matt speaks with health journalist, author, and former Men’s Health editor, Joe Warner, to discuss how men can navigate perimenopause and menopause alongside their partners, or if the lack of male education is simply causing unnecessary marital breakdown and relationship strain.

They cover the good intentions but terrible execution of the modern man, why treating a natural hormonal transition as a problem to be fixed places immense pressure on women, and how the "ostrich" approach of hiding in a man cave for a decade is bound to fail.

Beyond that they dive deep into the personal health scare that inspired Joe's book Burning Up, Frozen Out, the "sizzle vs. simmer" dynamic surrounding midlife intimacy, and why police hostage negotiation strategies—like using silence as a superpower and talking side-by-side—are essential tools for effective, supportive communication.

Whether you're struggling to understand sudden mood shifts and brain fog, trying to protect your relationship through midlife stress, or attempting to separate compassionate support from pushy problem-solving, this episode provides a realistic blueprint for stepping up as a partner without taking over.

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