"Posting on social media only is a billboard to people who already know you're doing this."

That is Ande Lyons, 800 plus episodes and 14 years into this, answering the founder whose podcast is not bringing in any business. Her point is blunt. All that posting is reaching the people who already found you. Nobody new is discovering the show, and no amount of clips fixes that.

We get into what does fix it. She makes the case that a founder podcast is a lead magnet and a brand awareness asset, not a direct sales channel, and that expecting it to convert on its own is why so many founders quit around episode ten. She also gives the proof that the long game is real: she stopped publishing Startup Life in June 2023, and last week the archive still pulled 245 downloads.

In this episode:

• Why eight or ten episodes is not enough for anyone to find you yet
• Why download counts are the wrong number, and what to look at instead
• The biggest mistake founder podcasters make, and the three part structure that fixes it
• Why people need roughly eight touches before they act on anything
• The one word change that makes a listener feel spoken to instead of broadcast at
• How to keep the podcast from eating the time you should spend on the business
• Why guesting on other people's shows may be the highest return move available to you
• How to manage up so your three points land even when the host never asks
• The one thing to change going into your next episode

About the guest, Ande Lyons: Four time founder and host of Don't Be Caged By Your Age, a pro-aging podcast. She has produced more than 800 episodes since 2012, previously hosted Startup Life, and founded the New England Podcasters Group, a monthly in person and virtual meetup for indie podcasters. Podcast, Don't Be Caged By Your Age: https://www.dontbecagedbyyourage.com/ New England Podcasters Group: https://newenglandpodcasters.group/ LinkedIn: [ADD ANDE LINKEDIN URL]

If you're a founder or business owner running a remote podcast and you're the one writing the descriptions, doing the SEO, cutting the clips, chasing the guests, stop that now. That is not your job. You're supposed to be working on the business. The podcast is supposed to feed the business. At ProPod Concierge, you record, we handle the rest.

Right now we're taking on a handful of founders for a full, free month. Not a trial, the whole thing. This isn't for everyone. If your show is already handled and it isn't eating your bandwidth, skip this. A handful of seats for those that qualify, and once they're full you go on the waitlist.

Apply here to see if there's a slot open: https://propodconcierge.com

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This has been the Founder Podcast Lab. See you in the next episode.