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Ryan Hawk has had nearly 700 conversations with world-class leaders over the past 11 years. Tony Robbins. Admiral McRaven. James Clear. Jocko Willink. And he's distilled everything he's learned into his new book, "The Price of Becoming: The Compounding Practices of High Performance," dropping in July 2026.

But here's what stands out: Ryan doesn't just interview people and move on. He's built The Learning Leader Show into one of the top business podcasts globally. He left corporate America and created a business with zero contracts and no advance payments. He speaks on major stages. And through the Learning Leader Masterminds and coaching, he works directly with leadership teams at some of the world's most impactful companies.

In this conversation, we dig into the core of his book and the philosophy that shapes everything he does. We talk about the Ben Roethlisberger moment that changed his life at 19. We explore why the gap between effort and reward is one of the hardest pills to swallow. And we break down how to actually become valuable in a world that only cares about value creation, not how hard you worked.

This is about consistency. Compounding. And understanding that confidence needs evidence.

CONNECT WITH RYAN

🌐 Website: https://www.thelearnerleader.com

💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanhawk/

CONNECT WITH ANDY

🌐 Website: https://www.mmgdesign.net/

💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mmgdesign/

📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mindfulmilligan/

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

03:45 - The Ski Trip and Gen Z Lingo

08:30 - Dr. Daniel Modaff and Dr. J.W. Smith

12:15 - The Ben Roethlisberger Story

19:40 - The Gap Between Effort and Reward

26:40 - Environment and High Performers

38:10 - Learn, Work, Lead Framework

44:55 - Imitate Then Innovate

49:10 - Morgan Freeman's 30-Year Apprenticeship

55:50 - The Sales Mindset

01:00:00 - Who This Book Is For

TEAM

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