In this episode of Risk Is Our Business, Captain Michael Rasmussen brings together a cross-functional crew of risk, audit, cyber, and technology leaders for a candid conversation recorded in the Netherlands. Joined by David Ngu, Brett Steinmetz, Jos Bredero, and Eric Groen, the discussion opens with a simple question: what actually keeps you up at 1 a.m. when it comes to risk?

From there, the conversation explores the key drivers shaping risk management in the Netherlands, and how they compare to broader European and U.S. approaches. The group reflects on how Europe tends to lean more toward principles and outcomes-based thinking, while the U.S. often emphasizes rules and compliance and how those differences play out in practice across organizations and industries.

They then turn to the role of professional services firms, unpacking what a successful engagement really looks like. Rather than focusing purely on tooling, the discussion emphasizes the importance of a business-oriented approach, ensuring that technology implementations are grounded in real operational needs, not just frameworks or features.

The episode closes with each guest offering a key takeaway and practical insights drawn from their experience working across risk, controls, cyber, and consulting.

This is a grounded look at how risk is actually managed on the ground (across regions, disciplines, and perspectives) when the frameworks meet reality.