With Pete Winn and Andy David - In this week's episode, Pete's reconsidering everything after realizing Gigi might be right about relays. They explore the flow state problem of agent work, why Optikon and Night Watchman will change everything, and deliver the definitive analogy for why one-shotting code doesn't work. Plus: game interfaces for agent management, spatial audio insights, and why most software isn't production-ready anyway.TIMESTAMPS:[00:59] Andy steps back from AI news[01:51] Google’s agent IDE and login fatigue[05:25] Common patterns in agent orchestration[06:19] Flow state in agent work[07:30] The Hemingway framework for agents[09:41] Optikon and visual agent management[11:42] Night Watchman: supervising agents[13:30] Progress displays and task feedback[16:30] Why Miro and Trello can’t truly merge[18:56] Relays and rethinking app architecture[20:05] Nostr and decentralised infrastructure[21:04] Power, decentralisation, and control[22:22] Andy’s entry point into Nostr[28:30] Cryptography and trust in systems[30:23] Revisiting Gigi’s ideas on relays[33:32] Vibe coding and developer habits[36:44] Why one-shot coding fails[38:09] User responsibility in AI workflows[40:00] Game interfaces for managing agents[43:32] Phone-native design constraints[44:42] Spatial audio and group dynamics[49:24] Audio spaces and identity in Nostr[50:10] AI beyond digital transformation[52:51] Building for yourself vs production qualityFriends of the Pod mentioned: Gav, Justin Moon (Human Rights Foundation), Gigi, Preston Pysh, Chris, Joel, DeadmanCONNECT WITH US: Web: https://otherstuff.aiPete: primal.net/pwAndy: primal.net/andydavid