What happens when growth stops shouting and intuition finally gets a voice?

In this episode of the Badass Leaders Podcast, host Angela Gill Nelms sits down with serial entrepreneur, investor, and founder advisor Phil Neil for a raw, deeply human conversation about leadership, courage, and the inner work required to scale without breaking yourself or your company.

Phil shares his journey from growing up poor in Quebec to scaling Neobex Medical to a $70M revenue business and achieving an eight-figure exit — and what happened after the success, when identity, burnout, and fear quietly crept in. Together, they unpack why most founders don’t fail because of bad strategy, but because their internal capacity doesn’t evolve with the business.

This episode explores the real difference between leaders and managers, how to handle conflict without destroying culture, and why “letting the world burn” can sometimes be the most responsible leadership move. Phil introduces concepts like fear-based vs. courage-based decision-making, founder psychology, and why intuition — not hustle — is often the missing ingredient in high-stakes leadership.

Learn More About Phil Neil:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippe-neil/
• Website: philneil.com

Mentioned in this Episode:

• Emergenetics: https://en-gb.emergenetics.com/emea/
• Working Genius: https://www.workinggenius.com/
• Diary of a CEO podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@TheDiaryOfACEO
• Neobex Medical: https://neobex.ca/en?srsltid=AfmBOoquMMfsaCeKK31l4IJaHklGc6-y33SZk__lkMsFFVc3cXLgEQg2
• Founders Compass: https://www.linkedin.com/company/founders-compass-company/

Produced by: The AGN Group

Host: Angela Gill Nelms

Producer: Katie Hart

Tagline: Be Brave. Be Badass.

Websites: www.theagngroup.com and www.AngelaGillNelms.com

About The AGN Group:

At The AGN Group, we believe every individual, team, and company can unlock their inner badass, one brave step at a time. www.TheAGNGroup.com.

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Want to be a Podcast Guest?

If you are interested in being a guest on the podcast, email brave@angelagillnelms.com.

The Discussion Also Tackles Questions Like…

• What is the difference between a leader and a manager in real-world practice?
• How do successful founders handle failure without letting it define them?
• How do you make high-quality decisions under extreme pressure and uncertainty?
• How do you handle conflict resolution when culture and trust are on the line?
• Why do fear-based decisions feel productive but often stall long-term growth?
• How can founders avoid burnout while still scaling aggressively?
• What role does intuition play in leadership and strategic decision-making?
• How do you know when it’s time to pivot — or to pause?
• Why do so many founders outgrow their businesses, or break them entirely?
• What does it actually mean to leave a legacy as a leader?

Themes

• Founder psychology and identity shifts
• Fear-based vs. courage-based decision-making
• Leadership vs. management
• Conflict resolution and culture fit
• Entrepreneurial failure and reinvention
• Intuition, stillness, and decision quality
• Scaling businesses without burning out
• Building trust and cognitive diversity on teams
• Redefining success beyond growth metrics
• Legacy, purpose, and teaching the next generation